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		<title>A new course about the cross</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following the success of our last course, Dying to Know, John Draycott and myself have just put together a second course all about the meaning of cross. We have tried to put together a course that engages with some of the recent conversations about atonement and our theology of the cross. Some things people have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dropcap">F</span>ollowing the success of our last course, <a href="http://livingos.com/2009/08/11/life-after-death-the-course/">Dying to Know</a>, John Draycott and myself have just put together a second course all about the meaning of cross.<span id="more-1296"></span> </p>
<p>We have tried to put together a course that engages with some of the recent conversations about atonement and our theology of the cross. Some things people have said about the cross have been a little controversial (and we like being controversial), but there is much to learn from reflecting on the different ways the bible and theologians over the centuries have spoken about the cross.</p>
<p>We are particularly thankful for the work of Tom Smail in his two books on this subject: <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1592445594?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=books4students0a&#038;link_code=as3&#038;camp=2506&#038;creative=9298&#038;creativeASIN=1592445594">Windows on the Cross</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1592443443?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=books4students0a&#038;link_code=as3&#038;camp=2506&#038;creative=9298&#038;creativeASIN=1592443443">Once and for All</a>. This course is based quite heavily on these books but tries to offer an opportunity for disciples of Jesus to spend some time reflecting on the meaning of cross. We have tried to use movie clips and other things from popular culture and to give people space to reflect on as much as debate some of the issues.</p>
<p><a href="http://talk2.org.uk/"><img src="http://livingos.com/wp-content/myuploads/2009/08/image4318-150x35.png" alt="image4318" title="image4318" width="150" height="35" class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-1067" /></a>We ran this course for the first time in a multi-denominational setting during Lent and found a very positive response to the course. We also were encouraged by the way people engaged with this material. You can <a href="http://talk2.org.uk/index.php/courses/the-wondrous-cross/">download</a> the complete course for FREE from our new resources site <a href="http://talk2.org.uk/">talk2.org.uk</a>.</p>
<p>We simply offer you this material, hoping you may find it useful in your setting.</p>
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		<title>Rowan Williams on Europe, Faith and Culture</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had the privilege of attending a lecture by the Archbishop of Canterbury on Saturday night at Liverpool&#8217;s Anglican Cathedral &#8211; an event planned as the year of Capital of Culture begins here in Merseyside. You can read the full text of the lecture on the archbishop&#8217;s web site. The Archbishop argued that the present [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the privilege of attending a lecture by the Archbishop of Canterbury on Saturday night at Liverpool&#8217;s Anglican Cathedral &#8211; an event planned as the year of <a href="http://www.liverpool08.com/">Capital of Culture</a> begins here in Merseyside. You can read the <a href="http://staging.icmfreedom.com/archbishop/1547">full text</a> of the lecture on the <a href="http://staging.icmfreedom.com/archbishop/1547">archbishop&#8217;s web site</a>. </p>
<p>The Archbishop argued that the present European mindset has become characterised by an obsession with the rights of individuals and self-creation.<span id="more-380"></span> A mindset that is today expressed in European art and culture. The archbishop challenged this mindset as being one that belongs to a prosperous minority in the world and reflected on the internal strain and immense inequality it has produced. His observation is that this mindset has become hostile to faith, despite the historic influence of Christianity in shaping Europe in the first place. He seemed to be suggesting that the unhealthy mindset that has thus been formed is a direct result of losing the faith half of the brain!</p>
<blockquote><p>So one way of understanding the ambiguous impact of Europe on our world is to see the modern European mind as the detached half of a complex reality that Christianity helped to bring to birth.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href='http://www.livingos.com/wp-content/myuploads/2008/01/archbishoppress.jpg' title='bishop' rel='lytebox' ><img src='http://www.livingos.com/wp-content/myuploads/2008/01/archbishoppress.thumbnail.jpg' alt='bishop' align='right'/></a>He also made some interesting comments about two alternative mindsets that the European has been challenged by in the last century &#8211; Marxism and Islam, as he tried to suggest how recovering the heritage might make for a better world. But this half of his lecture didn&#8217;t seem to be quite as clear or well developed.</p>
<p>He hinted at how faith in God, a power outside of ourselves, should lead us to think in terms of obligations to others rather than the rights of individuals and freedom for others rather than for ourselves, but I&#8217;m not sure he convinced us or showed how this could work better than Marxism which the West has rejected. </p>
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		<title>What is the worst Theological invention?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Benjamin Myers has kicked off an online poll to establish what is the worst theological invention. What do you think? Is it Biblical inerrancy, double predestination, the rapture, Papal infallibility, Arianism, Christendom itself or Just war theory? Well you can have your say by voting. I won&#8217;t say which is in the lead at present, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/">Benjamin Myers</a> has kicked off an online poll to establish what is <a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2007/04/nominations-worst-theological-invention_26.html">the worst theological invention</a>.  What do you think? Is it <em>Biblical inerrancy</em>, <em>double predestination</em>, <em>the rapture</em>, <em>Papal infallibility</em>, <em>Arianism</em>, <em>Christendom </em>itself or <em>Just war theory</em>? Well you can have your say by voting. I won&#8217;t say which is in the lead at present, since that wouldn&#8217;t be fair . Simply <a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2007/04/nominations-worst-theological-invention_26.html">vote anonymously</a>.<br />
<small>(Image by <a href="http://www.sxc.hu/photo/671144">Michal Zacharzewski</a>)</small></p>
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		<title>What&#8217;s all the fuss about Penal Substitution?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My blog has tended to focus more on geekery than theology, but now and then I&#8217;ll brave the world and stick my head above the parapet. In church in recent weeks we have been exploring some of the different metaphors and models used in the New Testament and by theologians to explain the mystery of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src='http://www.livingos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/picture21.png' alt='cross2' align="left" />My blog has tended to focus more on geekery than theology, but now and then I&#8217;ll brave the world and stick my head above the parapet. In church in recent weeks we have been exploring some of the different metaphors and models used in the New Testament and by theologians to explain the mystery of the cross.  I&#8217;ve relied much on Tom Smail&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1592445594?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=books4student-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1592445594"><em>Windows on the Cross</em></a>, his more comprehensive <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1592443443?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=books4student-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1592443443"><em>Once and for all</em></a>, as well as the wonderful <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0567089991?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=books4student-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0567089991"><em>Preaching the Atonement</em></a> by Peter Stephenson and Stephen Wright. This week I faced the window of justice and inevitably the whole problem of penal substitution.<br />
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In case you hadn&#8217;t noticed, there has been a great deal of debate about the appropriateness of what is called <em>Penal Substitution</em>, ever since Steve Chalke referred to it as &#8220;cosmic child abuse&#8221; in his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310248825?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=books4student-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0310248825">The Lost Message of Jesus</a>. Though in actual fact the argument goes considerably further back than that. But when Jeffery John recently declared this doctrine to be &#8220;repulsive as well as nonsensical&#8221; in a recent Radio 4 <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/lent_talks/">Lentern reflection</a>, another eruption of frantic stone throwing ensued.</p>
<p>Personally I am not sure what was so offensive to some people of what Jeffry said, when what he said about this doctrine seems so close to the official Anglican position (see the Church of England Doctrine Commission report, <em>The Mystery of Salvation</em>.). <a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2006/08/ten-propositions-on-penal-substitution.html">Kim Fabricius</a> gives a pretty clear summary of why penal substitution is so problematic, as does Tom Smail in the books mentioned above. Whatever penal substitution means, and it seems to mean different things to different people, the bible stops short of saying that God punished his son, or that God and his attitude towards me is changed by the cross.</p>
<p>Many of the arguments on other blogs, put forward by those of a more conservative position seem to me to actually be defending a ransom theory of atonement and not penal substitution. Jeffry&#8217;s words about a &#8220;price paid&#8221; would suggest he too doesn&#8217;t disagree with that model. But too many people in this debate seem to proof text penal substitution with bible references that use this ransom metaphor &#8211; imagery pulled form Ancient slave markets, that declares that the cross gives us our freedom from slavery to sin. Hallelujah! Though even then, the bible does not go as far as saying that the price is paid to anybody or anything, but through the cross the sinner walks free. They also confuse the idea of sacrifice, another window on the cross based upon temple worship rituals, with their penal models. But I cannot find the idea that God punishes Jesus anywhere in my bible, whatever people mean by penal substitution. He pays the price for our sin, he identifies fully with our falleness, he offers himself as a sacrifice, there are many ways that the bible speaks of the mystery of the cross, but Jesus does not get <em>punished</em> by God. There would be nothing more unjust.</p>
<p>Or perhaps a better way to speak of justice is as <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0567080900?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=books4student-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0567080900">Colin Gunton</a> put it:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;justice is done, not when a suitable punishment has been imposed upon the offender but when the judge takes upon himself the consequences of the offence and thus reconciles the offender to himself&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do think though that perhaps all the fuss over Jeffery John&#8217;s words are more to do with who Jeffry is rather than his theology. Apparently many of his opponents <a href="http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/5079">retracted</a> their criticisms once they had actually read the transcript of the broadcast. I&#8217;m not sure why anyone would want to do a <em>thought for the day</em> on Radio 4 if this is how their brothers and sisters in Christ choose to analyse and criticize every detail of what they said.</p>
<p>At least its got people talking about the atonement over Easter. The BBC have even created a page dedicated to the discussion on <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/whydidjesusdie_3.shtml">Penal Substition</a>.</p>
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